Killer2005 Original Poster 18,515 posts 207 months Saturday 15th January 2011 I have been thinking about my next car, and have been thinking that I need a RWD sports car for about 4-5k. There was an option of going slightly over my budget for something along the lines of a Caterham or a Honda S2000, but lack of suitable storage places and insurance prices have put these ideas to bed, so its down to the Z3 vs more interestingly, I'm leaning more towards the Z3 than the MX5. Largely due to the fact that my commute at the moment is nearly all dual carriageway or motorway, and I really don't get enough time on twisties So sensible thinking or has insanity finally taken over me? Saturday 15th January 2011 S2000 is cracking and in terms of speed and sound is fantastic and an easy car to live with so would be worth the extra stretch,if not I would advise the newest shape of the MR2 formally known as the MR-s plus you'd have spare cash if you went for one of these vvti 0-60 8 secondsair con in someplus it's a forgiving mid engined car which is great for daily commuting and is also at home on a trackday or 4 if not then I'd say the Mx5 purely because it's a great car , plenty of enthusiasts , plenty of tuning scope etc hope that helps ya chap Saturday 15th January 2011 The MX5 is the better sports car, but the Z3 (assuming you're talking about an I6) may well be the better GT. Neither is really designed for motorways. Saturday 15th January 2011 S2000 is cracking and in terms of speed and sound is fantastic and an easy car to live with so would be worth the extra stretch,if not I would advise the newest shape of the MR2 formally known as the MR-s plus you'd have spare cash if you went for one of these vvti 0-60 8 secondsair con in someplus it's a forgiving mid engined car which is great for daily commuting and is also at home on a trackday or 4 if not then I'd say the Mx5 purely because it's a great car , plenty of enthusiasts , plenty of tuning scope etc hope that helps ya chap Saturday 15th January 2011 wackojacko said: S2000 is cracking and in terms of speed and sound is fantastic and an easy car to live with so would be worth the extra stretch,if not I would advise the newest shape of the MR2 formally known as the MR-s plus you'd have spare cash if you went for one of these vvti 0-60 8 secondsair con in someplus it's a forgiving mid engined car which is great for daily commuting and is also at home on a trackday or 4 if not then I'd say the Mx5 purely because it's a great car , plenty of enthusiasts , plenty of tuning scope etc hope that helps ya chapNot too bad on the motorway, VERY good MPG compared to the MX5 and Z3. MR2 Spyder is arguably a better drive (certainly more of a sports car in terms of handling than the Z3) although a front engined RWD is more progressive and easier to have 'leet drift fun' with than a 'midship runabout'.Where it falls down is a complete lack of storage space compared to just about every other cabriolet (and in my humble opinion that is really the only insurmountable negative point). That said, I am not sure if a rear luggage rack is as it is a mid(engined)-ship, the cabin is quite big compared to an MX5 (relatively speaking) and there is usable space in the passenger footwell. There is a bit of space in the front boot and behind the seats too, but no rear 'boot' like a Mk2 MR2 or boxster by texasjohn on Saturday 15th January 20:46 Saturday 15th January 2011 Saturday 15th January 2011 Definitely or Z3. Brilliant cars and for 5k you can find a good one of either. I've sold my Z3 six months ago for It needed is absolutely nothing wrong with Z3 on a motorway. One thing - wind deflector is a must if you are thinking of roofless m/way you want it quieter with roof up you can buy an optional engine in is very nice to drive in town too, plenty of torque at low revs. redgriff500 said: Z3 is not a sportscarOh really? And then a slower than the slow thing, tiny engined, with a pathetic soundtrack from its mere 4 cylinders MX-5 is? Edited by rottie102 on Saturday 15th January 20:57 Saturday 15th January 2011 redgriff500 said: Z3 is not a sportscarFair comment. It's not that bad a cruiser with the I-6 though. Saturday 15th January 2011 rottie102 said: redgriff500 said: Z3 is not a sportscarOh really? And then a slower than the slow thing, tiny engined, with a pathetic soundtrack from its mere 4 cylinders MX-5 is? Um, yes. Saturday 15th January 2011 rottie102 said: redgriff500 said: Z3 is not a sportscarOh really? And then a slower than the slow thing, tiny engined, with a pathetic soundtrack from its mere 4 cylinders MX-5 is? Yes. A Z3 is just about a crap a car as you can possibly buy, short of an Unless the MG has a by JFReturns on Saturday 15th January 21:09 Saturday 15th January 2011 JFReturns said: A Z3 is just about a crap a car as you can possibly buy, short of an MGTF is a vastly better drivers car than the Z3. Saturday 15th January 2011 I had a weekend in a Z3 when looking to upgrade the MX5. No way is it a sportscar. It was neither confidence inspiring, that quick, or fun. I bought a Chimaera. Saturday 15th January 2011 A 2 seater sportscar isn't what you want for a commute in my opinion, something bigger, more comfortable and wafty would be more suited.. I'm sure, though, that you have already considered Z3 is the worst of both worlds, it's neither as fun as an MX-5 nor as comfortable as a mondeo or other motorway muncher. A Z3 is likely to cost you a lot more than an MX-5 or a mondeo in running money would go on a mk MX-5 with a hard top (and leather if possible, but the hard top would be more of a priority). Saturday 15th January 2011 kambites said: JFReturns said: A Z3 is just about a crap a car as you can possibly buy, short of an MGTF is a vastly better drivers car than the Z3. Agreed. But then so is Panda. Saturday 15th January 2011 texasjohn said: wackojacko said: S2000 is cracking and in terms of speed and sound is fantastic and an easy car to live with so would be worth the extra stretch,if not I would advise the newest shape of the MR2 formally known as the MR-s plus you'd have spare cash if you went for one of these vvti 0-60 8 secondsair con in someplus it's a forgiving mid engined car which is great for daily commuting and is also at home on a trackday or 4 if not then I'd say the Mx5 purely because it's a great car , plenty of enthusiasts , plenty of tuning scope etc hope that helps ya chapNot too bad on the motorway, VERY good MPG compared to the MX5 and Z3. MR2 Spyder is arguably a better drive (certainly more of a sports car in terms of handling than the Z3) although a front engined RWD is more progressive and easier to have 'leet drift fun' with than a 'midship runabout'.Where it falls down is a complete lack of storage space compared to just about every other cabriolet (and in my humble opinion that is really the only insurmountable negative point). That said, I am not sure if a rear luggage rack is as it is a mid(engined)-ship, the cabin is quite big compared to an MX5 (relatively speaking) and there is usable space in the passenger footwell. There is a bit of space in the front boot and behind the seats too, but no rear 'boot' like a Mk2 MR2 or boxster by texasjohn on Saturday 15th January 20:46 totally agree, storage space is rather agree with mid engined car 'snapping' faster but the MRS was very gradual when provoked, it can be had fun with when more experienced but i found the MRS is set up to understeer before it's near to snapping so unless you play with it, it shouldn't turn on arguably more civilised, air con , leather etc and a hard top option (also with mx-5) Saturday 15th January 2011 I'm about to get a Z3 for exactly that purpose - i have a 40 mile m-way commute, and want something small, ragtop with some torque to it. I built my MR2 for a previous, shorter commute and weekend fun and its just too thirsty, loud and gizmo-filled for what i want the Z3, see if you like it. Saturday 15th January 2011 Saturday 15th January 2011 JFReturns said: kambites said: JFReturns said: A Z3 is just about a crap a car as you can possibly buy, short of an MGTF is a vastly better drivers car than the Z3. Agreed. But then so is don't share any more wisdom with us... Saturday 15th January 2011 Killer2005 said: Caterham , but lack of suitable storage places and insurance prices have put these ideas to on Caterhams is dead cheap for the speed of the things. It'll be cheaper than the S2000, Z3, MX5 etc... I'd be willing to you get quotes again, don't make the mistake of getting quotes through a normal insurance company which you would use to get quotes for most the other more standard a kit car specialist such as Adrian Flux, Caterham insurance, MSM insurance (personal vote for them) and many more. Due to being a kit car (factory built or built by yourself), it's cheaper to normal cars in the same way classic insurance is insurance it's self is the same. I have mine insured for 10K miles per year (could be unlimited) as I use it as my daily and only car, living outside in a communal car park for flats and houses. 3rd party insurance to drive other cars, free windscreen cover or a limited amount of track day cover free over the year. Anyway, get a quote through one of the above mentioned people and see how it comes out. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Killer2005 Original Poster 18,515 posts 207 months Saturday 15th January 2011 Its the lack of useful places for a Caterham to live thats putting that idea off. Where I live now I could quite happily do it as its quite out of the way, but where I would be moving to I would'nt want to keep a caterham as it would be on street parking, and not the better places in Leeds to be keeping one is local and I'm really quite temped but I would forsee the worst happening Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff Posting Rules
Mazda's aggressive cost savings are right in front of you. Chris Davies/SlashGear. In new car terms, the Miata is a bargain. 2023 MX-5 ownership starts at a frankly ridiculous $28,050 (plus $1,165Recently, I got into doing comparison articles with the reasons why I bought my Miata over my other car choices. That opened the doors to continue digging a little deeper. Letâs look closely at the Mazda MX-5 Miata vs Porsche Boxster. Letâs start by laying out the ground rules for this comparisonâĶ We all know the Boxster costs about twice as much as a new, fully-loaded Mazda MX-5 Miata. For that reason, this may sound like a less than ideal comparison. But is it really? Keep in mind, this comparison is based on the NC Miata (2006-2013+). Various legitimate comparisons can be made between it and the 986 and 987 Porsche Boxster. Comparing it to a 981 Boxster (2013+) is not quite as ideal right now, although Iâm sure there are people doing so already. Of course, the new vs new comparison below would be based on a 981 Porsche Boxster. There are 3 situations in which a buyer would be comparing Miata vs Boxster: 1. New vs New: A buyer with good money in his pockets could be considering a new Boxster vs a new Miata. The difference in the end will be a decision based on which car he prefers, whether he pays the Boxsterâs new premium price, or saves a chunk of change and enjoys the Miata instead. It might not necessarily be a cost-based decision. Having said that, a new 981 Porsche Boxster would yield the biggest price difference up from a Mazda MX-5. 2. New vs Used: This comparison would likely be the most commonâĶ 2 equally-priced cars. A brand new MX-5 at $30k vs a used Porsche Boxster at $30k. Of course, the appeal is obviousâĶ Your budget says you can only spend 30gâs so those are the options. 3. Used us Used: This third option will likely be the least common. This is typically for the guys that refuse to pay new car premiums regardless of the vehicle. They can afford a used Boxster, but even if they go for a MX-5, would still buy it used. All are plausible situations and Iâve spoken with many car guys that have in fact considered at least one of these Miata vs Boxster scenarios. Anyway, Iâve driven both cars and Iâve read countless comparisons and forum posts that compare both cars. These are some of the things Iâve found: Pros for the Mazda MX-5 Miata 1. The MX-5 offers more bang for the buck. Of course, this oneâs a no-brainer. You can buy a brand new one, with full warranty for the price of a used Boxster with no warranty, or barely any left. 2. The MX-5 is going to be cheaper to maintain. New or used, the Miata is almost always going to be less expensive to maintain and run. Repairs are cheaper and so is regular maintenance, such as oil changes, brake service, etc. However, there are ways around this with the Porsche if you really want it. But weâll leave that for a little later. 3. The MX-5 can likely offer a more carefree enjoyment. Given the smaller cost of the MX-5, enjoyment could likely be bigger than with the Boxster, specially if you are concerned with costs. You can take them out in bad weather, park them with less concern and overall worry less about it than you would with the Porsche. 4. The MX-5 can be more fun to drive. Iâve heard this one from folks that have owned both. The MX-5 might not be as refined, but itâs engaging at lower speeds. If you factor out the âcoolnessâ factor of owning a Porsche and just concentrate on the drive alone, many claim the Miata is more fun to drive. You can chuck it into corners easier due to the reduced weight and you can hoon in it and have fun without breaking every speed law on the road. Rowing through gears and revving the engine is just plain fun. In the Boxster, youâll be doing less of that because by the time youâre redlining second gear, youâre breaking the speed limit badly. This is coming from the horseâs mouth of Boxster/Miata owners. Iâm just paraphrasing. Basically, the MX-5 Miata will feel more âsportyâ at lower speeds. The Miata will also offer more drama at lower speeds. 5. Donât have to deal with IMS (Intermediate Shaft Bearing) issues. It is well-known the IMS in the Boxster engines up to 2008 can fail causing catastrophic failure. This is more probable in older cars, mostly the 986 Boxster. Yes, there are things you can do to help prevent it, even if you decide not to install a fix before it happens (the âfixâ can be very expensive), but itâs always nice not to have to worry about it at all, right? When peace of mind is concerned, the Miata has the Porsche beat. Pros for the Porsche Boxster 1. The Boxster is simply a better car in every way. You are paying twice for the car, and if itâs pre-owned youâre paying the same money as a new MX-5 Miata for a car with at least 35,000 miles on it alreadyâĶ So youâd expect the car to be better overall. Well, it is. You get better materials inside and out, better fit and finish, better factory suspension, more power, more refinement, a Porsche badge, etc, etc. 2. Porsche ownership for Miata money. Listen, criticize Porsche owners all your want, but for the most part, itâs cooler to own a Porsche than it is to own a Miata. I bet the OGâs at Mazda HQ secretly own Porsches. So of course, being able to buy a Boxster for Miata money is quite appealing. 3. Better interior. This fits with the 1st point of it being a better car in every way. However, it merits a point of itâs own. The interior in the Porsche, specially that of the 987 Boxster is waaaay nicer than that of the MX-5 Miata. The seats are better, the dash is nicer, the door cards too, you get the picture. 4. Better at higher speeds. The Miata will feel livelier at lower speeds but the Boxster will feel better and more confidence-inspiring at higher speeds. However, by then you should probably be on a track and not on public roads. 5. Youâll be happier with a Boxster in stock form. If you are the modding type, the Miata would likely be a better option. But if youâd rather just enjoy the car as it is from factory, the Boxster will be much better out of the âboxâ ð Most likely, youâll be happier with it as is, so long as you buy the right one. Meaning, buy the Boxster S if you want more power, versus trying to upgrade a base Boxster. On the MX-5 youâll likely spend more time and money upgrading a few things before you are completely happy. In regards to that last bit, hereâs our article of essential NC Miata modifications. âĶif you can easily afford either, maintenance and running costs included, then you can truthfully make a decision based solely on preference. As you can see, the deal breaker is cost. Itâs safe to say that if you can easily afford either, maintenance and running costs included, then you can truthfully make a decision based solely on preference. But for many, it will be a cost-based decision. If you are hoping to work on the car yourself, whether to save on costs or because you like to do the work yourself, the Miata will be easier to work on. This specially for home-garage-shop car folks. The MX-5 is smaller and lighter and you can work on it from the top for many projects. On the Boxsters however, just about everything that has to do with the drivetrain needs to be done from under the car. Reducing ownership costs of the Porsche Boxster As mentioned briefly earlier, one good way to reduce the ownership costs of the Porsche Boxster is to do a lot of the maintenance work yourself. Things like oil changes, brake jobs and the like can be done at homeâĶ Harder to do than in the MX-5, but itâs still doable. Another way to reduce costs on the Boxster if you are dead-set on wanting one over a Miata is to have work done at independent shops rather than at dealerships. Given that for many it will be a financial decision, this might be the only way you could afford one of them over a Miata. For that, you should join Porsche Club of America and the popular Porsche forums and dig up the contacts for trusted local Porsche specialists in your area. If you take the time to find good independent techs, you can save a lot of money over a dealer workshop. Not to mention, the work can be just as good, if not better. Again, if you find the right guy. Final notes Porsche does know what they are doing when it comes to the market position of their cars. While the price of a used Boxster can allow someone with a Miata budget to enjoy Porsche ownership, the risks are higher for those people. The fact is, that no matter what, Mazda markets the MX-5 Miata as a inexpensive convertible sports car for a reason, and places it correctly in that market segment. Porsche on the other hand might be aiming the Boxster at people who canât afford a 911 (even if they deny it), but still have fairly fat checking accounts. You need to understand this before you get in way over your head. It also depends on where you spend your money. If your only hobby is cars, you can likely afford a Boxster even on moderate income. But if you have 10 different money-sucking hobbies that you refuse to let go off in favor of cars, the MX-5 can very well satisfy your sports car thrills. This said, it would be unfair to segment Porsche or MX-5 Miata buyers solely on how much coin they can swing. As many status-symbol Porsche driving people as there are, you have proper enthusiasts that buy a car for the actual driving experience. For that reason, there are many enthusiasts that can easily afford a Porsche 911 for example, but consider Boxsters, or even buy Miatas, just âcause. Costs aside, the Mazda MX-5 Miata and Porsche Boxster do fit in the same comparison table. In Consumer Reports surveys, both cars are actually head to head, year after year, in the sports car convertible segment. Even when a new Boxster is twice the money of a new Miata. Both cars are fun and extremely competent and each has pros and cons in relation to each other. Take your time, test both cars and crunch the numbers. Unless you are getting in over your head in costs, it would be hard to make a mistake when choosing between either of these cars.
The result is a claimed 100kg reduction in kerb weight compared with the 2005-2015 NC MX-5. The addition of a metal folding roof in the MX-5 RF increases the overall weight but adds some useful
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